Simplify purchase part

User avatar
Hansjoerg
Posts: 113
Joined: Thu Apr 01, 2021 4:17 pm
Answers: 3
x 71
x 60

Simplify purchase part

Unread post by Hansjoerg »

Hello all,

I have received a model of a new "energy-saving" motor from a supplier.
The energy that the motor saves in operation is consumed several times during the design in CAD, because the model is so detailed that it turns up the computer to maximum power at the latest during assembly.
Unfortunately, the supplier cannot provide me with a simplified model.
What do you do with such a killer model?

Making a speedpack out of the assembly is unfortunately out of the question because of the missing geometry when exporting in step format.

I also tried to delete at least the fillets via Surfaces; Delete surface, I succeeded with some of them, but unfortunately not with the majority of the fillets.
My last desperate attempt was to run feature detection hoping to find a way to delete the fillets, but apart from locking up my computer for half of lunch and running up the electricity bill, the attempt did nothing.

What other way is there to simplify this model?
Attachments
Motor.SLDPRT
SWX Version 2020
(11.91 MiB) Downloaded 108 times
All the "good" news about SWX makes me feel like I'm driving a truck with two trailers straight into a dead end.
User avatar
kawuser
Posts: 46
Joined: Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:29 am
Answers: 0
x 34
x 33

Re: Simplify purchase part

Unread post by kawuser »

Would defeature work for you?
User avatar
DanPihlaja
Posts: 853
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:33 am
Answers: 25
Location: Traverse City, MI
x 813
x 985

Re: Simplify purchase part

Unread post by DanPihlaja »

Get some general dimensions and model a block that fits the size. If that is all you need is an envelope of the model, just model that. But keep the supplier's model on hand so that you can do a final check before release.
-Dan Pihlaja
Solidworks 2022 SP4

2 Corinthians 13:14
User avatar
SPerman
Posts: 2060
Joined: Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:24 pm
Answers: 14
x 2236
x 1879
Contact:

Re: Simplify purchase part

Unread post by SPerman »

Here is a very rough attempt at how I would solve it. I didn't do the whole thing, and without knowing what is critical, I may have buried features you need.
Attachments
Motor.SLDPRT
(11.04 MiB) Downloaded 120 times
-
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. -Douglas Adams
User avatar
kawuser
Posts: 46
Joined: Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:29 am
Answers: 0
x 34
x 33

Re: Simplify purchase part

Unread post by kawuser »

Is this small enough?
Attachments
Motor.SLDPRT
(6.43 MiB) Downloaded 92 times
User avatar
matt
Posts: 1590
Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:34 am
Answers: 19
Location: Virginia
x 1219
x 2381
Contact:

Re: Simplify purchase part

Unread post by matt »

Just as a general suggestion to people posting models as answers, it would be helpful if you changed the name of the part so that we can have both the original and the answer up at the same time. I usually just put my name at the end. This doesn't work as well with assemblies unless you use pack and go on it and add a suffix.

The download probably takes care of this because you get a Motor.sldprt and Motor(1).sldprt, but still, it's helpful to have a reminder of who did what.

Just a suggestion.
User avatar
matt
Posts: 1590
Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:34 am
Answers: 19
Location: Virginia
x 1219
x 2381
Contact:

Re: Simplify purchase part

Unread post by matt »

Building off of what others have posted, here's what I'd do. First try Defeature. In this case I couldn't get it to work. Then try Featureworks, to see if you can get it to recognize the fillets/chamfers and holes, and maybe some extrusions. In some cases, you can use Delete Face to get rid of a selectable number of faces (this depends mostly on your patience). You can also use Delete Face to get rid of holes, extrusions, and just about anything. If you really don't need a solid model, you can also use Knit or Offset Surface to get a skin or outer boundary of the part. And as @kawuser did, you could also extrude a block over the part.

If you add features to the imported model, make sure to use the Freeze bar (or export/import or insert body into another part) to kill the history.

If those don't work, or if they take too long, I'd get a general spec of the item and just remodel the parts that you need - overall size, simplified shape, mounting points, and any important connections. Library stuff should be reference and make things simple, not complicate stuff.
MJuric
Posts: 1070
Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:21 pm
Answers: 1
x 31
x 874

Re: Simplify purchase part

Unread post by MJuric »

Hansjoerg wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:36 am Hello all,

I have received a model of a new "energy-saving" motor from a supplier.
The energy that the motor saves in operation is consumed several times during the design in CAD, because the model is so detailed that it turns up the computer to maximum power at the latest during assembly.
Unfortunately, the supplier cannot provide me with a simplified model.
What do you do with such a killer model?

Making a speedpack out of the assembly is unfortunately out of the question because of the missing geometry when exporting in step format.

I also tried to delete at least the fillets via Surfaces; Delete surface, I succeeded with some of them, but unfortunately not with the majority of the fillets.
My last desperate attempt was to run feature detection hoping to find a way to delete the fillets, but apart from locking up my computer for half of lunch and running up the electricity bill, the attempt did nothing.

What other way is there to simplify this model?
There's a bragillion different things I've done to make an imported part into something less monstrous.

1) Solidworks offers Simplify and Defeature as tools for this.
2) If this is an assembly delete all the little bits and pieces that don't offer you much.
3) Extrude big chunks thru any internal cavities that aren't needed to make it solid.
4) Nuke any appearances unless you want/Need them
5) If it's an Assy, save it as a part, combine, do whatever you can to make it on contiguous chunk. Export that part as a STEP or whatever. Import that back in. Rinse and repeat step three. I have no idea why but I have had parts shrink 2-3 times just by repeated exporting and importing.
6) Rerun Simplify/Defeature on the imported part.

In short just keep doing these things until you get it manageable. I will often save these as different versions between steps just in case I nuke something I wanted and didn't notice it for a couple steps later.
berg_lauritz
Posts: 423
Joined: Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:11 am
Answers: 6
x 439
x 233

Re: Simplify purchase part

Unread post by berg_lauritz »

MJuric wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:24 am There's a bragillion different things I've done to make an imported part into something less monstrous.

1) Solidworks offers Simplify and Defeature as tools for this.
2) If this is an assembly delete all the little bits and pieces that don't offer you much.
3) Extrude big chunks thru any internal cavities that aren't needed to make it solid.
4) Nuke any appearances unless you want/Need them
5) If it's an Assy, save it as a part, combine, do whatever you can to make it on contiguous chunk. Export that part as a STEP or whatever. Import that back in. Rinse and repeat step three. I have no idea why but I have had parts shrink 2-3 times just by repeated exporting and importing.
6) Rerun Simplify/Defeature on the imported part.

In short just keep doing these things until you get it manageable. I will often save these as different versions between steps just in case I nuke something I wanted and didn't notice it for a couple steps later.

I cannot emphasize 4) enough. Here is a video from @Alin Vargatu showing the impact of face appearances. I think many people underestimate the impact.

@MJuric , great list
MJuric
Posts: 1070
Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:21 pm
Answers: 1
x 31
x 874

Re: Simplify purchase part

Unread post by MJuric »

berg_lauritz wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:03 pm I cannot emphasize 4) enough. Here is a video from @Alin Vargatu showing the impact of face appearances. I think many people underestimate the impact.

@MJuric , great list
I agree. I've downloaded models that were essentially "Presentation level" models. Appearances, Colors every little detail for appearances. Simply nuking them all with the single "Remove all appearances" has almost always made a very noticeable difference.

Take that full blown appearance part and drop it in a large assembly a dozen times and it can bring the assembly to it's knees.
Alin
Posts: 313
Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2021 9:46 am
Answers: 3
x 265
x 391

Re: Simplify purchase part

Unread post by Alin »

This is a very interesting topic. The funny thing is that I am writing right now Part 5 of the Import Geometry Optimization series which addresses the Multibody part optimization. It should be published next week on Engineersrule.com.

Until then, feel free to read the Part 4, which covers assembly optimization (for models originated from STEP, IGES and other non-SOLIDWORKS files):

https://www.engineersrule.com/the-ultim ... ssemblies/
Alin
Posts: 313
Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2021 9:46 am
Answers: 3
x 265
x 391

Re: Simplify purchase part

Unread post by Alin »

The latest article in The Ultimate STEP… series has been published:

https://www.engineersrule.com/the-ultim ... ody-parts/
Post Reply