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Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:06 am
by DanPihlaja
dpihlaja wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:48 am Hows it going @mattpeneguy ?
Just got an update from @mattpeneguy :
He texted and said, "Made out okay. No damage and have power." So he's a lucky one so far.

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:49 am
by AlexLachance
dpihlaja wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:06 am Just got an update from @mattpeneguy :
He texted and said, "Made out okay. No damage and have power." So he's a lucky one so far.
Thanks for the update Dan!

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:23 am
by mike miller
I don't get it. :?
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??????

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:46 am
by AlexLachance
mike miller wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:23 am I don't get it. :?

2021-08-31 10_17_50.jpg

??????
Ooookay

@Merovingien Care to enlighten us about what makes it a US-centered forum..? I'm not quite sure I understand.

P.S. I'm Canadian.

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:27 am
by Glenn Schroeder
AlexLachance wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:46 am Ooookay

@Merovingien Care to enlighten us about what makes it a US-centered forum..? I'm not quite sure I understand.

P.S. I'm Canadian.
I believe @Frederick_Law is also, and it's obvious he's uncomfortable here.

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:31 am
by mike miller
AlexLachance wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:46 am Ooookay

@Merovingien Care to enlighten us about what makes it a US-centered forum..? I'm not quite sure I understand.

P.S. I'm Canadian.
I think it works like racism. Denial of the allegation proves the allegation is correct. :shock:

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:09 pm
by Frederick_Law
You need to claim minority before you can cry racism .....

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:38 pm
by SPerman
I have no idea what he is talking about.
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Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:59 pm
by SPerman
Is this the survey that many of you have talked about participating in?
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Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:04 pm
by DanPihlaja
Have a great weekend y'all (Monday is Labor Day in the US, so many people have it off as a holiday). I am taking tomorrow off and traveling to the great Upper Peninsula of Michigan with my kids to visit my parents.

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:38 pm
by Ömür Tokman
dpihlaja wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:04 pm Have a great weekend y'all (Monday is Labor Day in the US, so many people have it off as a holiday). I am taking tomorrow off and traveling to the great Upper Peninsula of Michigan with my kids to visit my parents.
Hey Dan Isn't Labor Day May 1st?

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:47 pm
by matt
Ömür Tokman wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:38 pm Hey Dan Isn't Labor Day May 1st?
You might be thinking of Memorial Day, May 31. I always get those confused.

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:52 pm
by Ömür Tokman
matt wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:47 pm You might be thinking of Memorial Day, May 31. I always get those confused.
May 1 Labor Day in Turkey and Europe. i thought it was in usa.

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:57 pm
by Ömür Tokman
Ok i get it.
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Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:24 am
by Glenn Schroeder
Ömür Tokman wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:52 pm May 1 Labor Day in Turkey and Europe. i thought it was in usa.
First Monday in September in the US.

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 11:00 am
by Ömür Tokman
Glenn Schroeder wrote: Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:24 am First Monday in September in the US.
Thanks for the info Glenn.

It seems that I will celebrate on May 1 in 2022. o[ grumph


Maybe one day I will celebrate it in September. hhhh

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:17 pm
by zxys001
Ömür Tokman wrote: Fri Sep 03, 2021 11:00 am Thanks for the info Glenn.

It seems that I will celebrate on May 1 in 2022. o[ grumph


Maybe one day I will celebrate it in September. hhhh
Labor day in the US is about the celebrating "the workers" or, "“workingmen’s holiday” ... it was created mainly because of the slave labor of pre/post 1900. That is, it reminds everyone their WORKERS RIGHTS and about the poor way companies treated their workers during that period of US history.
=)

The official US Gov statement today is...
Observed the first Monday in September, Labor Day is an annual celebration of the social and economic achievements of American workers. The holiday is rooted in the late nineteenth century, when labor activists pushed for a federal holiday to recognize the many contributions workers have made to America’s strength, prosperity, and well-being.

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:28 pm
by Ömür Tokman
zxys001 wrote: Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:17 pm Labor day in the US is about the celebrating "the workers" or, "“workingmen’s holiday” ... it was created mainly because of the slave labor of pre/post 1900. That is, it reminds everyone their WORKERS RIGHTS and about the poor way companies treated their workers during that period of US history.
=)

The official US Gov statement today is...
Observed the first Monday in September, Labor Day is an annual celebration of the social and economic achievements of American workers. The holiday is rooted in the late nineteenth century, when labor activists pushed for a federal holiday to recognize the many contributions workers have made to America’s strength, prosperity, and well-being.
actually this is an irony. What I mean by celebrating in the USA is to be able to go to the USA one day. I'm trying every legal means I can think of. A green card is pure luck. I've been looking for a sponsor for a h2b visa for about 3 years but still haven't found it. I still haven't given up.

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:30 pm
by mike miller
It would be cool if the majority of US workers would still be interested in working instead of sucking the teat....

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:04 pm
by MJuric
mike miller wrote: Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:30 pm It would be cool if the majority of US workers would still be interested in working instead of sucking the teat....
I've often wondered how this worked. The US has a population of 331M. We have 73M under the age of 18 and 47 million over the age of 65. This leave ~211m people. The currently labor pool has ~160m people in it. We have 51M people between the age of 18 and 65 that aren't working? I'd actually say this number is even higher because we have a whole lot of people working that are over the age of 65. Not sure if under 18 is considered in the labor pool numbers though.

Nearly 25% of people of working age aren't working if we look at direct numbers and probably more if you consider late retiree's. Even if we pull out the stay at home parents ~13m we still have 38M people that aren't working. So one out of five people between the ages of 18 and 65 just don't work?

To make matters worse we have 160M people supporting 171M and those numbers are getting worse and worse as the boomers drop off one end and fewer and fewer people come in from the 0-18 age group.

It's not good.

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 4:09 pm
by Tom G
FYI, I advise that you prepare for this USA holiday weekend by ensuring that you will have the food, gasoline, and any other necessary resource (cash, water, butt wipes, pharma, w/e) needed for the following week. At best, you've got necessities even if there isn't a major disruption. Don't go hoarding.

https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/alerts/aa21-243a
CISA has no actionable threat intelligence to predict criminal action, but it is instead based upon the three major ransomware attacks on critical infrastructure over the past Mother's Day, Memorial Day, and Independence Day this year. IT staff is not working on the long weekend, but criminals do. You may expect the same over this coming long weekend.

There are also some rumors of a DDOS campaign upon online gaming or finances. However, Cloudflare is doing a mech better job lately of detecting and deterring these.

How annoyingly US-centered! How dare he!?! I can only share what I know of.

Have a safe long weekend. Especially be prepared and safe if travelling. Take reasonable precautions to protect your families without overreacting.
Yeah, maybe I will have told you so. I hope this will not apply. I'll wish in one hand and see what fills up faster.

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 4:22 pm
by mike miller
Tom G wrote: Fri Sep 03, 2021 4:09 pm FYI, I advise that you prepare for this USA holiday weekend by ensuring that you will have the food, gasoline, and any other necessary resource (cash, water, butt wipes, pharma, w/e) needed for the following week. At best, you've got necessities even if there isn't a major disruption. Don't go hoarding.

https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/alerts/aa21-243a
CISA has no actionable threat intelligence to predict criminal action, but it is instead based upon the three major ransomware attacks on critical infrastructure over the past Mother's Day, Memorial Day, and Independence Day this year. IT staff is not working on the long weekend, but criminals do. You may expect the same over this coming long weekend.

There are also some rumors of a DDOS campaign upon online gaming or finances. However, Cloudflare is doing a mech better job lately of detecting and deterring these.

How annoyingly US-centered! How dare he!?! I can only share what I know of.

Have a safe long weekend. Especially be prepared and safe if travelling. Take reasonable precautions to protect your families without overreacting.
Yeah, maybe I will have told you so. I hope this will not apply. I'll wish in one hand and see what fills up faster.
Sounds like @Frederick_Law will be busy this weekend. ;;

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:40 pm
by zxys001
mike miller wrote: Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:30 pm It would be cool if the majority of US workers would still be interested in working instead of sucking the teat....
(additional perspective required).. da drumpf dude did that all his life and til this very day. ;;

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:35 am
by Ömür Tokman
MJuric wrote: Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:04 pm I've often wondered how this worked. The US has a population of 331M. We have 73M under the age of 18 and 47 million over the age of 65. This leave ~211m people. The currently labor pool has ~160m people in it. We have 51M people between the age of 18 and 65 that aren't working? I'd actually say this number is even higher because we have a whole lot of people working that are over the age of 65. Not sure if under 18 is considered in the labor pool numbers though.

Nearly 25% of people of working age aren't working if we look at direct numbers and probably more if you consider late retiree's. Even if we pull out the stay at home parents ~13m we still have 38M people that aren't working. So one out of five people between the ages of 18 and 65 just don't work?

To make matters worse we have 160M people supporting 171M and those numbers are getting worse and worse as the boomers drop off one end and fewer and fewer people come in from the 0-18 age group.

It's not good.
according to this account, you need 1 worker, I can come. :mrgreen:

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:35 pm
by mike miller
Back to the the whole "America-centered" thing.....I guess we could all set our location like this:

Anytown, Michigan, USA, Earth, Milky Way galaxy, Universe Alpha (presumably).

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:14 am
by Frederick_Law
New research found center of our universe. It's in the White House where the president seat.

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:41 am
by zxys001
Frederick_Law wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:14 am New research found center of our universe. It's in the White House where the president seat.
..yeah,.. ~30% of the egodeludedcentric seem to "feel" so. ;;

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:02 pm
by MJuric
Ömür Tokman wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:35 am according to this account, you need 1 worker, I can come. :mrgreen:
I went to a Robotics thingy and they had the statistic that by 2024 2.2M jobs will be created in manufacturing from when I went, last June or so. They then followed that up with that they are predicting that only 1.1M people will be looking for jobs in manufacturing at that time.

This is why it's been near impossible to find decent people to work in manufacturing for probably the last 5-10 years and the problem started cropping up 10-20 years ago.

We have a pretty large swath of people that just don't feel the need to work and a much larger swath of people that are looking to do the bare minimum to stay employed. Employers are SOL at this point and are pretty much hostage the the employee until such time that the economy plunges into a massive depression and the government can no longer afford to support everyone.

I think I have to stop here before I swerve into politics and get kicked out of here :?

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:22 pm
by zxys001
yeah.. the US is still doing well.. but those darn Canadians are trying to make us look bad!? :D
https://data.oecd.org/pop/working-age-population.htm

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:40 pm
by MJuric
zxys001 wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:22 pm yeah.. the US is still doing well.. but those darn Canadians are trying to make us look bad!? :D
https://data.oecd.org/pop/working-age-population.htm
I'm less concerned about the working age population than I am the percentage of people working regardless of age. The higher the working age population number just means you have a larger chunk of the population between 15 and 64. If none of those people are actually working that's a bigger issue :D :-)

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:21 pm
by MJuric
zxys001 wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:06 pm You can't make people do something they don't want to do,
Making someone do something they don't want to is different than removing the natural consequences of what happens when you don't do something.

In other words, no you can't make someone work, but you also don't have to support them if they don't want to. Furthermore in this context "Support" would be anything implemented that eases the "pain" for either the employee or the employer that would be involved in not working or not hiring etc etc.... damn I promise. I'll stop now ()

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:26 pm
by mike miller
2 Thess. 3:10 "For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat."

Just a thought. And I'll leave it at that.......

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:36 pm
by zxys001
MJuric wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:21 pm Making someone do something they don't want to is different than removing the natural consequences of what happens when you don't do something.

In other words, no you can't make someone work, but you also don't have to support them if they don't want to. Furthermore in this context "Support" would be anything implemented that eases the "pain" for either the employee or the employer that would be involved in not working or not hiring etc etc.... damn I promise. I'll stop now ()
Choices..... **

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:40 pm
by zxys001
mike miller wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:26 pm 2 Thess. 3:10 "For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat."

Just a thought. And I'll leave it at that.......
yep,.. you can only do/help so much for the willing... but, we try anyhow. UU

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:02 pm
by matt
ok, please no negative racist connotations. Religion and politics make really bad discussion topics. There are bunches of facebook and twitter groups where you can fight about that. This is a professional forum where people with very different ideas about everything can come together on a common topic. Please don't make me moderate stuff, or add more stupid rules.

No matter what your point of view is you're not going to "fix" anyone here (or likely anywhere else either). Just allow people to believe what they believe in peace, regardless of how wrong you think they are.

...unless the topic is multibody sheet metal, in which case everyone else is just wrong. tu See? You don't feel any smarter, do you?

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:14 pm
by MJuric
matt wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:02 pm No matter what your point of view is you're not going to "fix" anyone here (or likely anywhere else either). Just allow people to believe what they believe in peace, regardless of how wrong you think they are.
I wonder how many people believe this and why. Whether it's multi-body sheet metal or government welfare why should someone assume that the person they are discussing the issue with has both a closed mind and unwilling to hear or consider any new information or perspectives and also at the same time assume that the person you're discussing the issue with has no new information or perspectives to share that may alter your position?

Maybe I'm a bit of a unicorn in this sense. I come to discussion forums to learn things, not necessarily to teach things. If I'm unwilling to accept the possibility that someone else might know something or have a valid position that doesn't agree with mine....how am I supposed to learn anything?

I just find it odd how many people simply refuse to see any perspective but their own.

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:43 pm
by bnemec
MJuric wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:14 pm I wonder how many people believe this and why. Whether it's multi-body sheet metal or government welfare why should someone assume that the person they are discussing the issue with has both a closed mind and unwilling to hear or consider any new information or perspectives and also at the same time assume that the person you're discussing the issue with has no new information or perspectives to share that may alter your position?

Maybe I'm a bit of a unicorn in this sense. I come to discussion forums to learn things, not necessarily to teach things. If I'm unwilling to accept the possibility that someone else might know something or have a valid position that doesn't agree with mine....how am I supposed to learn anything?

I just find it odd how many people simply refuse to see any perspective but their own.
This might be a case where taking one sentence out of the context in which it was used will likely change the intended meaning. I took that comment in the context of avoiding fruitless arguments, where the other side has already demonstrated their right to take a stand. So sometimes I agree with that statement, the trick is identifying when to apply it.

On the contrary I've found that those who helped with my own wrong opinions had mastered the art of asking questions that could not be mistaken as challenges and in the end reveled to me my own bad assumptions or completely missing bits of data that lead to the faulted opinion. Once the inputs where corrected I had to change my opinion, or step over to the side of belligerence just to avoid accepting that I was wrong before. Some where through the years I shifted from "being right" to preferring enlightenment even at the cost of admitting I was wrong.

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:56 pm
by matt
MJuric wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:14 pm I just find it odd how many people simply refuse to see any perspective but their own.
Yeah, a lot of people from many different persuasions wonder that about the rest of the world. Some people can't let differences be differences. I'm not saying we have any of those people here, I just want to avoid finding out. There's nothing to gain by having a big throwdown about the nightly news here.

I am a member at a forum where they literally banned discussions of manufacturing and economics because even fact based stuff like that becomes politicized. Insane, right? I'm not trying to prevent anyone from learning, I'm just trying to avoid the inevitable conflict that poisons a place like this where we might disagree, but behave for the most part.

So I'd appreciate it if y'all could take that somewhere else, and not put me in the middle of it. I wanna talk about CAD and boring geek stuff. I watch this happen in other places, and would like to avoid it here.

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 3:01 pm
by mike miller
matt wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:56 pm Yeah, a lot of people from many different persuasions wonder that about the rest of the world. Some people can't let differences be differences. I'm not saying we have any of those people here, I just want to avoid finding out. There's nothing to gain by having a big throwdown about the nightly news here.

I am a member at a forum where they literally banned discussions of manufacturing and economics because even fact based stuff like that becomes politicized. Insane, right? I'm not trying to prevent anyone from learning, I'm just trying to avoid the inevitable conflict that poisons a place like this where we might disagree, but behave for the most part.

So I'd appreciate it if y'all could take that somewhere else, and not put me in the middle of it. I wanna talk about CAD and boring geek stuff. I watch this happen in other places, and would like to avoid it here.
Multi-body sheet metal modeling is the ONLY way to go!

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Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 3:41 pm
by zxys001
Ok,.. we all need to step back and tap into our Happy Unicorn! :D

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 4:03 pm
by mattpeneguy
MJuric wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:14 pm I just find it odd how many people simply refuse to see any perspective but their own.
I've found that a persuasive discussion tactic is to interrupt the other person and yell "THINK LIKE ME!!!" over anything they say...

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 4:15 pm
by SPerman
MJuric wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:14 pm
I just find it odd how many people simply refuse to see any perspective but their own.
And no matter how many times I tell them they are wrong, they just don't see the error in their ways.

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 4:43 pm
by zxys001
You'll (not including me ;) ) are so right,... yet, so wrong. :D

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 5:38 pm
by Jaylin Hochstetler
matt wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:56 pm Yeah, a lot of people from many different persuasions wonder that about the rest of the world. Some people can't let differences be differences. I'm not saying we have any of those people here, I just want to avoid finding out. There's nothing to gain by having a big throwdown about the nightly news here.

I am a member at a forum where they literally banned discussions of manufacturing and economics because even fact based stuff like that becomes politicized. Insane, right? I'm not trying to prevent anyone from learning, I'm just trying to avoid the inevitable conflict that poisons a place like this where we might disagree, but behave for the most part.

So I'd appreciate it if y'all could take that somewhere else, and not put me in the middle of it. I wanna talk about CAD and boring geek stuff. I watch this happen in other places, and would like to avoid it here.
I totally agree, this is a CAD Forum not a Politics Forum.

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:50 pm
by zxys001
... there is hope for you smokers..
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/scie ... acco-plant

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:05 pm
by mattpeneguy
SPerman wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 4:15 pm And no matter how many times I tell them they are wrong, they just don't see the error in their ways.
Have you tried raising your voice?...that can be helpful...it doesn't hurt to also use derogatory expletives...

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:09 am
by zxys001
mattpeneguy wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:05 pm Have you tried raising your voice?...that can be helpful...it doesn't hurt to also use derogatory expletives...
...using a respectful and proper oratory enunciation delivery. tu

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:17 am
by jcapriotti
Jaylin Hochstetler wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 5:38 pm I totally agree, this is a CAD Forum not a Politics Forum.
What about CAD Politics?

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:44 am
by Glenn Schroeder
jcapriotti wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:17 am What about CAD Politics?
I suspect you already know the answer to that one.

Re: Watercooler Talk

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:54 am
by Jaylin Hochstetler
jcapriotti wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:17 am What about CAD Politics?
Hey, as long as it involves CAD and it's not American-Centered! **