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I don't believe I've ever seen this before . . .
Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 2:53 pm
by Glenn Schroeder
I'm working in a Part with a child feature
above a parent feature in the tree. I used a sketch to drive a Structural Member function, then used that same sketch to create a Composite Curve (to use in the Assembly to pattern another component).
The sketch was absorbed into the Composite Curve feature, which put it below it's child feature.
Re: I don't believe I've ever seen this before . . .
Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 5:33 pm
by matt
Glenn Schroeder wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 2:53 pm
I'm working in a Part with a child feature
above a parent feature in the tree. I used a sketch to drive a Structural Member function, then used that same sketch to create a Composite Curve (to use in the Assembly to pattern another component).
The sketch was absorbed into the Composite Curve feature, which put it below it's child feature.
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This happens all the time and you don't even realize it. Sketches are parents of extruded features, yet the sketch is listed down the tree. If you make an initial sketch, then build a lot of other stuff, then use the initial sketch in a feature, that sketch will be listed under the last feature in the tree even though it was the first thing created.
A great way to work around this is to use the Flat Tree View which is Ctrl-T or RMB on the top item in the tree, go to Tree Display, and Show Flat Tree View. (doesn't work so well for sheet metal)
Re: I don't believe I've ever seen this before . . .
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:18 pm
by bnemec
matt wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:33 pm
This happens all the time and you don't even realize it. Sketches are parents of extruded features, yet the sketch is listed down the tree. If you make an initial sketch, then build a lot of other stuff, then use the initial sketch in a feature, that sketch will be listed under the last feature in the tree even though it was the first thing created.
A great way to work around this is to use the Flat Tree View which is Ctrl-T or RMB on the top item in the tree, go to Tree Display, and Show Flat Tree View. (doesn't work so well for sheet metal)
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Man I hate this behavior in SW. Seems the "Flat Tree View" setting does not work in sheet metal?
Re: I don't believe I've ever seen this before . . .
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:22 am
by DanPihlaja
bnemec wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:18 pm
Man I hate this behavior in SW. Seems the "Flat Tree View" setting does not work in sheet metal?
It does for me (SW 2018 SP5):
Normal tree:
Flat tree view:
Edit:
Although I now notice that it does not expand sketched bends:
Re: I don't believe I've ever seen this before . . .
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:38 am
by bnemec
dpihlaja wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:22 am
It does for me (SW 2018 SP5):
Normal tree:
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Flat tree view:
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Edit:
Although I now notice that it does not expand sketched bends:
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I should have been more specific. I hate the way sketches are absorbed into the feature that uses them and the work around is flaky at best.
Am I doing something wrong?
2019 SP4
Re: I don't believe I've ever seen this before . . .
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:35 pm
by zxys001
yeah, for some dumb reason, I don't think sheetmetal allows the show flat tree?
Re: I don't believe I've ever seen this before . . .
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:23 pm
by DanPihlaja
zxys001 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:35 pm
yeah, for some dumb reason, I don't think sheetmetal allows the show flat tree?
Correct. I am seeing the same thing.
In fact, if you use an extrusion process to create your part, then convert it to sheet metal, all the items BEFORE your conversion will expand with flat tree, the all the items AFTER your conversion that specifically require the sheetmetal portion of the software, will not expand.
Re: I don't believe I've ever seen this before . . .
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:58 am
by bnemec
dpihlaja wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:23 pm
Correct. I am seeing the same thing.
In fact, if you use an extrusion process to create your part, then convert it to sheet metal, all the items BEFORE your conversion will expand with flat tree, the all the items AFTER your conversion that specifically require the sheetmetal portion of the software, will not expand.
So everything it normal then. 1/2 implemented behavior. Apparently the sheet metal group didn't get the memo about the flat feature manager.
Inventor 2015 was so much better about this.
Re: I don't believe I've ever seen this before . . .
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:37 am
by mattpeneguy
dpihlaja wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:23 pm
Correct. I am seeing the same thing.
In fact, if you use an extrusion process to create your part, then convert it to sheet metal, all the items BEFORE your conversion will expand with flat tree, the all the items AFTER your conversion that specifically require the sheetmetal portion of the software, will not expand.
Well, at least they're consistent...
Re: I don't believe I've ever seen this before . . .
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:41 am
by mattpeneguy
zxys001 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:35 pm
yeah, for some dumb reason, I don't think sheetmetal allows the show flat tree?
It's very likely the reason it doesn't work is that the sheet metal people didn't even know there was a flat tree option.
I have seen first hand that they don't properly test any of the functionality they roll out...That's what us users are here for. Used to be there was something called Beta testing. SW issues SP numbers for that phase.
Re: I don't believe I've ever seen this before . . .
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:25 am
by zxys001
mattpeneguy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:41 am
It's very likely the reason it doesn't work is that the sheet metal people didn't even know there was a flat tree option.
I have seen first hand that they don't properly test any of the functionality they roll out...That's what us users are here for. Used to be there was something called Beta testing. SW issues SP numbers for that phase.
We've got a special purpose!
Re: I don't believe I've ever seen this before . . .
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:27 am
by mike miller
zxys001 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:25 am
We've got a special purpose!
"We rely on our customers!" takes on a whole new meaning with these guys.