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I come to know Windows 11 has been released. Does anyone using it with SWX?

I thought it wasn't being released until the end of the year.

Maha Nadarasa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 9:16 pm I come to know Windows 11 has been released. Does anyone using it with SWX?

First, make sure you have TPM.
although, it's a bit (or byte?) soon, no?,.. why would you want to jump onto it? ..are there known benefits?
imho, wait a 6mos to a year.

Windows 11 has not been released, it has been announced.

Will be released later this year.

So.......all these people are this anxious to get screwed again?

I got a bridge in Omaha to sell......

mike miller wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:44 am So.......all these people are this anxious to get screwed again?

I got a bridge in Omaha to sell......

Where in Omaha might this bridge be?

kawuser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:46 am Where in Omaha might this bridge be?

Go to the nearest Walmart, buy several gift cards, give me the numbers, and then I'll tell you.

Due to sponsorship arrangements my previous company was forced to adopt Windows 10 in its first year of release. It was a complete disaster. We spent most of the first 6 months of that season trying to get all of our engineering tools to work. Welcome to the new world of software, where your customers do your beta testing for you.

SPerman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:07 am Due to sponsorship arrangements my previous company was forced to adopt Windows 10 in its first year of release. It was a complete disaster. We spent most of the first 6 months of that season trying to get all of our engineering tools to work. Welcome to the new world of software, where your customers do your beta testing for you.

This isn't new ... this is the only Solidworks does it. LOL

Here's a compressed summary for you. Mysteries are being resolved. Please wait.

dave.laban wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:16 am Windows 11 has not been released, it has been announced.

Will be released later this year.

This. Also,

You. Do. Not. Need. To. Make. A. Decision. About. This. Now.
Windows 10 will be supported, in current schedule, until 2025.

It will be freely available to upgrade supported devices, like a fancy feature upgrade. More like Windows 10 originally was, with a compatibility checker and downloaded installer package. For SWx, there will surely be supported versions in the future and not now, just like any other OS cycle change.

The big kicker for most cases appears to be the new hardware requirements. The increases to minimum CPU clock speed, RAM, and drive size are unremarkable to most existing machines. THERE ARE TWO SERIOUS LIMITATIONS in hardware for Windows 11 compatibility. Your device must have a Trusted Platform Module chip, above a certain version. Your CPU must also be within a vague newer generation. MS is actively bungling the clarification of internal contradictions, which makes fact more difficult to discern from mixed guidance.

For example, right now you can buy a brand new $5000 Surface Pro directly from Microsoft, and its earlier CPU generation will prevent it from receiving the release of Windows 11. Seriously.

OTOH, new PCs released this year will meet the new requirements. New PC's released next year and the year after that will meet the requirements. You and I will eventually go through a hardware cycle, and the new OS cycle will apply then. Tools were not meant to remain sharp forever, even if you misunderstood manufacturers support schedules and personally maintain unfounded expectations of eternal usefulness.

If anyone cares, Ed Bott has written very well about this, and continues to try to get to the bottom of it.

EDIT to add:
"Windows 11 is primarily a user experience update. Nothing is being introduced along the lines of new APIs or SDKs that would benefit next-generation apps that would compel one to buy a new system." - Jason Perlow
Therefore, I believe that SWx would be unaffected. Paul may be able to tell us soon.
Also, MS has apologized for the confusion. They are also promising to use Insider Testing to test expanding its applicable CPU list.

Well, shiver me timbers,.. I've got it!?
hmm,.. I've been part of Windows Beta testing for >1yr (mainly because I found/reported some Explorer issues) and looks like they gave it to me?
WTH!? Look at the images attached... It says I have it but,.. it's not able to have it??... Gotta Luv Tech!

LOL non-certified CPU.

zxys001 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:13 am Well, shiver me timbers,.. I've got it!?
hmm,.. I've been part of Windows Beta testing for >1yr (mainly because I found/reported some Explorer issues) and looks like they gave it to me?
WTH!? Look at the images attached... It says I have it but,.. it's not able to have it??... Gotta Luv Tech!

Hey!! They changed the icon colors! That's reason enough to change.


Hang on, that sounds familiar....

zxys001 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:13 am Well, shiver me timbers,.. I've got it!?
hmm,.. I've been part of Windows Beta testing for >1yr (mainly because I found/reported some Explorer issues) and looks like they gave it to me?
WTH!? Look at the images attached... It says I have it but,.. it's not able to have it??... Gotta Luv Tech!

Is it me or does the bar at the bottom look like a ripoff of Apple?

AlexLachance wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:41 pm Is it me or does the bar at the bottom look like a ripoff of Apple?

Wouldn't be the first time...

https://hackaday.com/2021/06/29/the-gre ... xperiment/
Stop worry if SW will run in Windows 11.
Worry if your computer could run Windows 11.

AlexLachance wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:41 pm Is it me or does the bar at the bottom look like a ripoff of Apple?

A bit (or byte?)
It actually reminds me the small Linux Distro's using a (applish) custom desktop.. like,.. XFCE Desktop Environment.

zxys001 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:40 pm A bit (or byte?)
It actually reminds me the small Linux Distro's using a (applish) custom desktop.. like,.. XFCE Desktop Environment.

Yeah good point, give it a small fade-out at the top and it's Linux

Frederick_Law wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:01 pm https://hackaday.com/2021/06/29/the-gre ... xperiment/
Stop worry if SW will run in Windows 11.
Worry if your computer could run Windows 11.

.. it seems to work fine.. running SW2019.
Maybe I have the cosmetic/carrot stick version,.. to entice me into buying the real thing?

I was using something similar for Windows XP so it looks like Mac.

Frederick_Law wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:20 pm LOL non-certified CPU.

I'm pretty sure my cpu is too old and/also I do not believe I have a TPM (or it's turned off by default in the bios?)

Let me know when they announce the sunset date on Windows 10. Until then, I could care less about Windows 11.

SPerman wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:48 pm Let me know when they announce the sunset date on Windows 10. Until then, I could care less about Windows 11.

2025, don't remember which Month.

Frederick_Law wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:45 pm I was using something similar for Windows XP so it looks like Mac.

..here are a few..
https://www.fossmint.com/macos-like-lin ... ributions/

https://flyakiteosx.en.uptodown.com/windows
This and other Window tweaks.
Like roll the Window up to title to hide it.

SPerman wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:48 pm Let me know when they announce the sunset date on Windows 10. Until then, I could care less about Windows 11.

October 14th 2025.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecy ... me-and-pro

zxys001 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:43 pm .. it seems to work fine.. running SW2019.
Maybe I have the cosmetic/carrot stick version,.. to entice me into buying the real thing?

@zxys001

one interesting thing to see, w11 use-work memory allocation better than w10 ???

if you can try to lead to "out of memory SW yelling", like opening, closing multiple files,
another thread about the "memory problem" with w10+SW

it will be interesting to see if w11+SW work better for that.

Technically OS can allocate as much as addressable. Only put active one in memory. If it never get used, no problem. If used once, OS need to put it in pagefile until program release or close.

Merovingien wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:28 am @zxys001

one interesting thing to see, w11 use-work memory allocation better than w10 ???

if you can try to lead to "out of memory SW yelling", like opening, closing multiple files,
another thread about the "memory problem" with w10+SW

it will be interesting to see if w11+SW work better for that.

Hey Merovingien,.. what I've found interesting, in the past, I rarely saw a SW Resource Monitor Message pop-up,.. but during the w10 updates this past year (and with w11) it is now common for ALL my SW 2014-2021 installs!?
Oh joy.

The big holdup with CPU generation, broadly, is that newer chips handle virtualization. This is not so you can run a virtual machine, although yeah that is possible. What this is really about is browser (and app) security. Windows 11 will enable to browse in a virtualized sandbox, where malware has much less opportunity to latch on to your system or access vulnerabilities.

This is why some earlier hardware will be unsupported.

Jason Perlow summarized it in a very funny way:

The problem is that Microsoft buried the lead and employed bait-and-switch tactics to induce us to upgrade, rather than simply being straight with us from the beginning. What Microsoft should have said is: "Look, we can't implement these important architectural changes in the OS to protect you from the bad guys unless your hardware supports this."

Instead, we got: "Open your mouth, the airplane is landing! Microsoft wants you to eat the improved hardware-enforced security feature because it's good for you! Woooo! Flashy Windows 11 user interface!"

In a broader perspective than my own limited use and needs, more security by default is an improvement. Massive understatement.
It has to be less intrusive than UAC though. UAC was the biggest pain in the butt about Vista.

Tom G wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:00 am The big holdup with CPU generation, broadly, is that newer chips handle virtualization. This is not so you can run a virtual machine, although yeah that is possible. What this is really about is browser (and app) security. Windows 11 will enable to browse in a virtualized sandbox, where malware has much less opportunity to latch on to your system or access vulnerabilities.

This is why some earlier hardware will be unsupported.

Jason Perlow summarized it in a very funny way:


In a broader perspective than my own limited use and needs, more security by default is an improvement. Massive understatement.
It has to be less intrusive than UAC though. UAC was the biggest pain in the butt about Vista.

"UAC was the biggest pain in the butt about Vista."

..ah man,.. what a total flash back! (and I thought those brain cells were dead)

zxys001 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:00 am Hey Merovingien,.. what I've found interesting, in the past, I rarely saw a SW Resource Monitor Message pop-up,.. but during the w10 updates this past year (and with w11) it is now common for ALL my SW 2014-2021 installs!?
Oh joy.

Windows 10 changed memory management. I believe the code or "variable" to check free memory was changed. SW never updated their code so it keep getting wrong free memory size.
Before Windows 10, free RAM is King. We were obsessed with free RAM. We didn't want to use RAM. We wanted to see it empty with nothing in it.
Smartphone changed it. RAM is all used for cache. Remove when active program need more.
Windows 10 followed that and programs that don't update get into trouble.

As you can see, nothing had changed from SW2014 to SW2021. Probably even way before that.

zxys001 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:05 am "UAC was the biggest pain in the butt about Vista."

..ah man,.. what a total flash back! (and I thought those brain cells were dead)

I can see TPM will make it worse.
All for the name of security.
When hardware and OS get harder to hack, guess what next?

what is TPM, if someone can explain it easily ?

i saw a news about the hybride cpu that randomly change change his architecture,
it has been built for real for a test, and it was a success, virus can't adapt to every random hardware changes.

it was vry interesting news.

zxys001 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:35 am First, make sure you have TPM.
although, it's a bit (or byte?) soon, no?,.. why would you want to jump onto it? ..are there known benefits?
imho, wait a 6mos to a year.

Because Microsoft Edge (ME) is imbedded in W10. It spontaneously gets open and is a nuisance to me. I tried to inactivate it but it didn't work. I came to know that Microsoft has drop ME in W11.

Merovingien wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:55 am what is TPM, if someone can explain it easily ?

TPM, or Trusted Platform Module, is a hardware chip that is integrated into CPUs and motherboards. ... By doing so, laptop and desktop makers who use TPM chips give devices a better shot at being secure – it is still not failsafe, but TPM chips can encrypt storage drives and protect against a wide range of cyber attacks.

Most business laptop has it. Most desktop don't.
Not all can add one.

zxys001 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:00 am Hey Merovingien,.. what I've found interesting, in the past, I rarely saw a SW Resource Monitor Message pop-up,.. but during the w10 updates this past year (and with w11) it is now common for ALL my SW 2014-2021 installs!?
Oh joy.

I've been getting that message when first starting SW for quite a while. After the first couple of times I just ignore it. Nothing bad has happened . . . yet.

I found this yesterday. I don't know if it works or not.

https://fossbytes.com/solve-tpm-2-0-err ... -11-fixed/

TPM might need a firmware update:
https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-ca ... erid=rf87d

establ wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:52 pm I found this yesterday. I don't know if it works or not.

https://fossbytes.com/solve-tpm-2-0-err ... -11-fixed/

LOL... I knew there would be a workaround out there!

mike miller wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:44 am So.......all these people are this anxious to get screwed again?

I got a bridge in Omaha to sell......

As long as it isn't in Detroit.

If you happen to be using Windows 11 alongside SWX (SolidWorks, I presume?), I'm curious to know how it's working for you. Sharing your experience could be valuable for others who are contemplating the upgrade.

eudoraricker1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 4:09 am If you happen to be using Windows 11 alongside SWX (SolidWorks, I presume?), I'm curious to know how it's working for you. Sharing your experience could be valuable for others who are contemplating the upgrade.

I.T. and I were trying to resolve some bad performance problems and decided to 'upgrade' to Win11. Its behavior has been problem free. Unfortunately, the interface has a lot of minor, but irritating quirks. Other than the quirks, no new problems are evident with Win11.

prformance wise windows 11 has been a good release, but I agree it causes some annoyance.
PDM is the biggest, and depending on your SW and windows release the login screen and vault explorer could go crazy.

just a remainder sw is FULLY supported under win 11...